[He'd also mentioned something once that grated at Wei Wuxian. Something about how it was routine procedure to just - reset a personality? Erase memories, when owners were switched?
Well - he's a ye olde, so of course he doesn't get the idea of owning a machine. Machines don't even exist where he comes from, and to him, the difference between say a toaster and 45 is stark.]
--But I suppose you can get things done that way that you'd have trouble getting done in any other situation, mm? And I guess groups like that exist in any world.
You aren't wrong. As inconvenient and restricting as it can be, sometimes, there are other things it opens up. And it seems there will always be a need for those who operate in the shadows, much as some would rather it be otherwise.
[That just has him huffing out a little laugh, half-amused and half-wry.]
I suppose there truly are some things that all worlds and times share.
[Fortunate as it sometimes is, unfortunate as it sometimes is. Then, looping back around to her first question:]
Nothing, really. It's just hard to imagine anyone being treated the way the two of you are, you know? Even the servants of the worst sects are spoken to in a kinder way, it seems.
[ it's not dehumanization when they were never human to begin with! and she tilts her head. ]
It's not just specific types of people, though? It's just how society is. There are some that appreciate their dolls, there are some who will even go 'wow, it's almost like dealing with an actual human being', and there are those who disregard the fact that we have faces made in their image.
But at the end of the day, it's simple fact that they made us as tools for their own benefit. It's not something easily forgotten, I think.
[TERRIBLE WORK, FUTURISTIC SOCIETIES THAT CREATE ROBOTS IN THEIR LIKENESS AND THEN TREAT THEM LIKE TOASTERS.]
I suppose it's a societal mindset... I knew you as a person before a "doll", after all - trying to parse how anyone could see you as anything but a living, thinking being with your own feelings and will is a difficult thing. A little bit like the swords, actually.
[Who all just view themselves as weapons and Not Human, which is wild even to Wei Wuxian who comes from a world where there are plenty of spirits and non-humans.]
[HE STILL CANNOT FULLY WRAP HIS MIND AROUND THIS...]
But surely the will and orders you're carrying out don't cover everything you do. Don't you have - favorite foods, places you like being, songs you enjoy? Things like that?
They aren't subjects that tend to come up often, if ever, so yes, I would say that I don't really think about it. Certainly not enough to have preferences.
I do not need to eat. Where I go almost always looks the same- loess and wasteland, snow and ice. Abandoned cities. As for music, I am not a civilian Doll. I was not made for such things.
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Date: 2020-07-08 07:43 am (UTC)[He'd also mentioned something once that grated at Wei Wuxian. Something about how it was routine procedure to just - reset a personality? Erase memories, when owners were switched?
Well - he's a ye olde, so of course he doesn't get the idea of owning a machine. Machines don't even exist where he comes from, and to him, the difference between say a toaster and 45 is stark.]
--But I suppose you can get things done that way that you'd have trouble getting done in any other situation, mm? And I guess groups like that exist in any world.
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Date: 2020-07-09 06:46 am (UTC)[ i mean, if wwx asked 45 about that...
but she shrugs, regarding his last comment. ]
You aren't wrong. As inconvenient and restricting as it can be, sometimes, there are other things it opens up. And it seems there will always be a need for those who operate in the shadows, much as some would rather it be otherwise.
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Date: 2020-07-09 07:55 am (UTC)I suppose there truly are some things that all worlds and times share.
[Fortunate as it sometimes is, unfortunate as it sometimes is. Then, looping back around to her first question:]
Nothing, really. It's just hard to imagine anyone being treated the way the two of you are, you know? Even the servants of the worst sects are spoken to in a kinder way, it seems.
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Date: 2020-07-09 09:08 am (UTC)To the people who treat us that way, we're not 'anyone.' We're anything.
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Date: 2020-07-09 09:23 am (UTC)[It's a little jarring to see that particular brand of dehumanization. The future is wild.]
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Date: 2020-07-10 06:34 am (UTC)It's not just specific types of people, though? It's just how society is. There are some that appreciate their dolls, there are some who will even go 'wow, it's almost like dealing with an actual human being', and there are those who disregard the fact that we have faces made in their image.
But at the end of the day, it's simple fact that they made us as tools for their own benefit. It's not something easily forgotten, I think.
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Date: 2020-07-10 09:09 am (UTC)I suppose it's a societal mindset... I knew you as a person before a "doll", after all - trying to parse how anyone could see you as anything but a living, thinking being with your own feelings and will is a difficult thing. A little bit like the swords, actually.
[Who all just view themselves as weapons and Not Human, which is wild even to Wei Wuxian who comes from a world where there are plenty of spirits and non-humans.]
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Date: 2020-07-10 02:27 pm (UTC)[ which, all right, but ]
Here's the thing, though. Try looking at it this way.
Are we actually thinking for ourselves if we, as weapons or otherwise, are only ever carrying out the will and orders we were created with?
[ swords...... guns... ]
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Date: 2020-07-10 10:47 pm (UTC)But surely the will and orders you're carrying out don't cover everything you do. Don't you have - favorite foods, places you like being, songs you enjoy? Things like that?
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Date: 2020-07-17 12:00 am (UTC)I can't really say I think about any of that.
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Date: 2020-07-17 04:09 am (UTC)...Not once? Never at all?
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Date: 2020-07-17 07:28 am (UTC)I do not need to eat. Where I go almost always looks the same- loess and wasteland, snow and ice. Abandoned cities. As for music, I am not a civilian Doll. I was not made for such things.